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		<title>Comment on Legal Esignatures for Elections by California Appeals Court Rejects Esigned Petitions &#171; The Esignature Post</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2011/03/10/recent-rulings-on-esignatures-and-elections/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California Appeals Court Rejects Esigned Petitions &#171; The Esignature Post]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 03:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is ruling stands in marked contrast to the Utah Supreme Court ruling in an earlier post.  In this case the Utah judges ruled that by not making rules regarding the use of electronic [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Legal Esignatures for Elections by Gautam Dutta</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2011/03/10/recent-rulings-on-esignatures-and-elections/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gautam Dutta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Asian American Action Fund is proud to support the e-signature cause, because it will help increase citizen involvement with the initiative process.  Here is a copy of our amicus (friend of the court) brief:

http://www.aaa-fund.com/?p=7118

Gautam Dutta, Esq.
Executive Director
Asian American Action Fund]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asian American Action Fund is proud to support the e-signature cause, because it will help increase citizen involvement with the initiative process.  Here is a copy of our amicus (friend of the court) brief:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aaa-fund.com/?p=7118" rel="nofollow">http://www.aaa-fund.com/?p=7118</a></p>
<p>Gautam Dutta, Esq.<br />
Executive Director<br />
Asian American Action Fund</p>
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		<title>Comment on Legal Esignatures for Elections by Mike Ambrose</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2011/03/10/recent-rulings-on-esignatures-and-elections/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ambrose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As this was being edited Utah was in the process of outlawing electronic signatures for petitions. &lt;a href=&quot;http://le.utah.gov/~2011/bills/sbillint/sb0165s02.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Utah SB165&lt;/a&gt; &quot;prohibits the use of an electronic signature and requires the use of a holographic signature to:
qualify a candidate for the ballot;
qualify a ballot proposition for the ballot; or
sign a petition to organize and register a political party.&quot;  This bill was approved by the governor on March 10 and raises the bar for signatures gathered to create citizens initiatives.

One group that was adversely affected by this law was a group gathering petitions for a referendum on access to electronic communications of public officials.  This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.savegrama.org/pages/petition/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;group&lt;/a&gt; is trying to repeal a recent law that limited access to electronic communications.  Their issues may also end up in court so stay tuned!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As this was being edited Utah was in the process of outlawing electronic signatures for petitions. <a href="http://le.utah.gov/~2011/bills/sbillint/sb0165s02.htm" rel="nofollow">Utah SB165</a> &#8220;prohibits the use of an electronic signature and requires the use of a holographic signature to:<br />
qualify a candidate for the ballot;<br />
qualify a ballot proposition for the ballot; or<br />
sign a petition to organize and register a political party.&#8221;  This bill was approved by the governor on March 10 and raises the bar for signatures gathered to create citizens initiatives.</p>
<p>One group that was adversely affected by this law was a group gathering petitions for a referendum on access to electronic communications of public officials.  This <a href="http://www.savegrama.org/pages/petition/" rel="nofollow">group</a> is trying to repeal a recent law that limited access to electronic communications.  Their issues may also end up in court so stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Now for a little on IP by Mike Ambrose</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2009/10/28/now-for-a-little-on-ip/#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ambrose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bilski v. Kappos turned out to be somewhat of a dud. There was a great opportunity for proscribing the patent-ability of ideas, but instead throwing out Bilski&#039;s patent was supported under narrower grounds. Meanwhile the door is left open for others to continue patenting business methods and other abstract, intangible concepts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilski v. Kappos turned out to be somewhat of a dud. There was a great opportunity for proscribing the patent-ability of ideas, but instead throwing out Bilski&#8217;s patent was supported under narrower grounds. Meanwhile the door is left open for others to continue patenting business methods and other abstract, intangible concepts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Now for a little on IP by David</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2009/10/28/now-for-a-little-on-ip/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guess not much going on blog-wise, but it&#039;s been a long time since I last visited.

All ideas, software or not, have the problem of determining if it&#039;s been done before and patented.  The level of &quot;true inventiveness&quot; has often been quite low historically, allowing patents on all sorts of common thoughts -- though many would claim they are only &quot;common&quot; now because they invented it and it became successful.

But the number of patents being filed has grown exponentially, meaning that more and more ideas are being locked up to benefit the few.  Patents certainly play a bigger part for big corporations than they do for small guys, even though the small guy needs a patent to protect himself from the big guy who will just steal it.  

However, patents don&#039;t protect anything.  They just give you the right to attempt to police it yourself.  You first have to find someone you think may be violating your patent.  Then you have to press charges in a legal system that will surely cost you $10,000 to $50,000 just to get it going to the point where you&#039;ll have to decide if it should go to court or not, and once it goes to court, you can add one or two zeros to that sum.

So if you are small, trying to outspend a big company is a huge gamble.  The big guys often will throw their portfolio of patents back at you.

There may have been a time when patents were useful, but with capitalism and education in such force today around the world, I don&#039;t think they are as useful as they used to be.  They tend to lock up ideas that then slow future invention, and they put fear in many who have to wonder if whatever they are doing will just be taken away from them (someone else patented your hard work, even though you had no knowledge of that patent, or perhaps even recognize your creation as being in violation of that patent).  

It becomes all legalese and nuance of the &quot;claims&quot; of the patent rather than what the patent actually describes.  Even if your invention is dramatically different from what the patent describes, if they can twist their claims, which are written as broadly as possible because it&#039;s really easy to tweak just about anything and be different, to show they cover what you did, you are in violation.  

I&#039;d bet that very few patents actually make money through licensing, and those that do tend to be owned by big companies, not small inventors.

I agree with you that copyright applies to software (it&#039;s written, like a novel, not built like a machine), and of course trade secrets when desired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess not much going on blog-wise, but it&#8217;s been a long time since I last visited.</p>
<p>All ideas, software or not, have the problem of determining if it&#8217;s been done before and patented.  The level of &#8220;true inventiveness&#8221; has often been quite low historically, allowing patents on all sorts of common thoughts &#8212; though many would claim they are only &#8220;common&#8221; now because they invented it and it became successful.</p>
<p>But the number of patents being filed has grown exponentially, meaning that more and more ideas are being locked up to benefit the few.  Patents certainly play a bigger part for big corporations than they do for small guys, even though the small guy needs a patent to protect himself from the big guy who will just steal it.  </p>
<p>However, patents don&#8217;t protect anything.  They just give you the right to attempt to police it yourself.  You first have to find someone you think may be violating your patent.  Then you have to press charges in a legal system that will surely cost you $10,000 to $50,000 just to get it going to the point where you&#8217;ll have to decide if it should go to court or not, and once it goes to court, you can add one or two zeros to that sum.</p>
<p>So if you are small, trying to outspend a big company is a huge gamble.  The big guys often will throw their portfolio of patents back at you.</p>
<p>There may have been a time when patents were useful, but with capitalism and education in such force today around the world, I don&#8217;t think they are as useful as they used to be.  They tend to lock up ideas that then slow future invention, and they put fear in many who have to wonder if whatever they are doing will just be taken away from them (someone else patented your hard work, even though you had no knowledge of that patent, or perhaps even recognize your creation as being in violation of that patent).  </p>
<p>It becomes all legalese and nuance of the &#8220;claims&#8221; of the patent rather than what the patent actually describes.  Even if your invention is dramatically different from what the patent describes, if they can twist their claims, which are written as broadly as possible because it&#8217;s really easy to tweak just about anything and be different, to show they cover what you did, you are in violation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet that very few patents actually make money through licensing, and those that do tend to be owned by big companies, not small inventors.</p>
<p>I agree with you that copyright applies to software (it&#8217;s written, like a novel, not built like a machine), and of course trade secrets when desired.</p>
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		<title>Comment on State Government Electronic Signature Guidelines by Mike Ambrose</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2009/06/03/state-government-electronic-signature-guidelines/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ambrose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; in September&#039;s Atlantic monthly speaks directly to this issue.  David Goldhill discusses how health care is the only industry where technology has increased costs rather than reduced them and has some interesting insights into why, and how government unwittingly created this system 50 years ago.
So we probably do need government to lead &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; reform efforts to get this sort of change.  Then we can sell doctors and hospitals on the benefits of going paperless!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care" rel="nofollow">article</a> in September&#8217;s Atlantic monthly speaks directly to this issue.  David Goldhill discusses how health care is the only industry where technology has increased costs rather than reduced them and has some interesting insights into why, and how government unwittingly created this system 50 years ago.<br />
So we probably do need government to lead <em>real</em> reform efforts to get this sort of change.  Then we can sell doctors and hospitals on the benefits of going paperless!</p>
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		<title>Comment on State Government Electronic Signature Guidelines by David Wall</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2009/06/03/state-government-electronic-signature-guidelines/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I wouldn&#039;t look to government to lead in any of these areas.  Heck, I was just told that medical records in many hospitals/clinics are on paper because going electronic is too expensive.

Somehow they missed the fact that electronic records via computers has been the major force in reducing costs and improving efficiency at just about every business in the world over the past 50 years.

If we just had one more regulation....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I wouldn&#8217;t look to government to lead in any of these areas.  Heck, I was just told that medical records in many hospitals/clinics are on paper because going electronic is too expensive.</p>
<p>Somehow they missed the fact that electronic records via computers has been the major force in reducing costs and improving efficiency at just about every business in the world over the past 50 years.</p>
<p>If we just had one more regulation&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Green are Esignatures? by David Wall</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2009/05/26/how-green-are-esignatures/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hard to tell about the numbers, but they sure put a lot of signatures on each transaction for &quot;warranty papers and after-sale service papers,&quot; whatever those all are.  I thought only mortgage docs were that poorly constructed by our legal profession.

Our experience is that only about one quarter of our customers stay electronic for the vast majority of their electronic contracts.  Some people just can&#039;t help but print and file, and we&#039;ve heard about situations in which an electronically signed document is printed multiple times (such as once by each party involved) just to show things can actually get worse in this respect.  Some then even fax those, so it can escalate.

Time will resolve this bad printing habit that generally shows the advanced mental age of the parties involved, but for now, claims about &quot;green&quot; for electronic contracting are sorely misplaced in practice.

We manage to avoid printing any electronic contracts, but we&#039;re in the roughly 25% minority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to tell about the numbers, but they sure put a lot of signatures on each transaction for &#8220;warranty papers and after-sale service papers,&#8221; whatever those all are.  I thought only mortgage docs were that poorly constructed by our legal profession.</p>
<p>Our experience is that only about one quarter of our customers stay electronic for the vast majority of their electronic contracts.  Some people just can&#8217;t help but print and file, and we&#8217;ve heard about situations in which an electronically signed document is printed multiple times (such as once by each party involved) just to show things can actually get worse in this respect.  Some then even fax those, so it can escalate.</p>
<p>Time will resolve this bad printing habit that generally shows the advanced mental age of the parties involved, but for now, claims about &#8220;green&#8221; for electronic contracting are sorely misplaced in practice.</p>
<p>We manage to avoid printing any electronic contracts, but we&#8217;re in the roughly 25% minority.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A little on E-notarization by Mike Ambrose</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2008/07/16/a-little-on-e-notarization/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Ambrose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Digital signatures are generally a component of electronic signatures. Some states require digital certificates and sanction/certify certain CAs.  However generally electronic signatures 
do not have to be digital signatures, Colorado&#039;s method relies on state issued journals.  The post &lt;a href=&quot;http://esignaturepost.com/2009/06/03/state-government-electronic-signature-guidelines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;State Government Electronic Signature Guidelines&lt;/a&gt; discusses these.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digital signatures are generally a component of electronic signatures. Some states require digital certificates and sanction/certify certain CAs.  However generally electronic signatures<br />
do not have to be digital signatures, Colorado&#8217;s method relies on state issued journals.  The post <a href="http://esignaturepost.com/2009/06/03/state-government-electronic-signature-guidelines/" rel="nofollow">State Government Electronic Signature Guidelines</a> discusses these.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A little on E-notarization by worktoday24</title>
		<link>http://esignaturepost.com/2008/07/16/a-little-on-e-notarization/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[worktoday24]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When u mentioned electronically sign the signatures, are they the same as digital signatures?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.APOSTILE.US&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Apostile &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When u mentioned electronically sign the signatures, are they the same as digital signatures?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.APOSTILE.US" rel="nofollow"> Apostile </a></p>
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